While browsing Franklin Graham’s idiotic Facebook feed, I came across this post of his. Franklin, the windbag that he his, was trying to make something political over a non issue. The situation was about a woman who was spreading pamphlets (about Jesus) in a public park. Her pamphlets were being discarded by others (or her) so that it became a public clean up issue. She was asked by officials to stop. She didn’t. So they cited her, banning her from the park. Fox News blew this up as a case of religious persecution. Graham jumped on the bandwagon.
I replied with a verse from the bible that said if you preach the message, and people don’t want to hear it, move on. Someone replied to me, and we had a discussion. I leave it here, as this is how I like to talk with Christians. I’m not a “blaspheme in their face” kinda guy. I like to use reason and logic, because I’m sowing seeds that may one day rippen. That person (Sue) may not revoke her faith today, but in time she may begin to lose her tight coupling with it.
My response to Graham’s post: Your pitiful bible also says, if people don’t want your message, to shake the dust of your shoes off and walk on. How do you not even know your own bible? Your bible doesn’t say “if they don’t want you, cry about it. Get the news in on it. Call the police. Get an attorney… make a political situation about it…” what snowflakes you all are. read your bible, how does a hater of the word of dog (like me) know it better then you all?
A woman named Sue responds to me: And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Son God loves you, but you seem to be filled with hate. I have to wonder why. Remember to pray for others who are the same inside as you. Jesus taught us love not hate. May Jesus enter your heart and show you his love, mercy and grace so your hate will go away.
I appreciate your comments Dsue. It’s interesting that you follow the faith as a woman, for the bible 2 Tim. 2:9-15 says, “11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.”
I think you should speak up, even to me… and tell me what you think, but your own book says you’re not allowed. Doesn’t that bother you? It bothers me. Where your bible doesn’t respect you, for your gender, I will respect you Sue. have a good day.
Jesus changed those traditions. He loved all people. For example, He speaks to women in public. He steps forward in a crowd of mourners to speak with the widow at Nain, and to call her son back to life (Luke 7:11-17). He cures a woman who had been crippled for 18 years, laying hands on her in the Temple and saying, “Woman, you are set free of your infirmity” (Luke 13:12). When the leader of the synagogue becomes indignant that Jesus has healed a woman on the Sabbath, Jesus uses a title of particular dignity for her, “daughter of Abraham” (Luke 13:16).While the expression “son of Abraham” was often used to indicate that a male Jew was recognized as bound by covenant to God, women had never been called “daughters of Abraham.” With this title, Jesus recognizes this woman as having equal worth. Jesus teaches love as he loves us all. I pray that you will find peace and love from Jesus one day. I pray that Jesus will bless you for the rest of the days of your life , and that hate will leave your heart. I don’t know who taught you the words of the Bible, but knowing the words is not understanding the words.
Not to nitpick, but you describe Jesus talking to a woman, Paul addresses women explaining or talking to men (which he forbids). More importantly, however, is that Paul came after Jesus. He is used to interpret and focus the ideas of Jesus. Jesus never spoke about same gender relationships… but Paul does, and that’s why Christians today quote Paul, not Jesus on specific things they agree with.
Case in point, consider this case of a GOP lawmaker who quoted 2 Thes.3:10 (“If a man doesn’t work, neither should he eat“) to explain his decisions against welfare:
While Jesus said in Matthew 25:35-40 quite the opposite, that fellow picked Paul over Jesus. You would think Christians would follow Jesus over Paul. which one wins? Answer: which ever one is convenient.
Several cities (Fort Lauderdale for one) cited this biblical passage to outlaw feeding the homeless in public.
You say Jesus is about love… yet god supposedly stated (Genesis 6:6-7) that he regretted mankind... since (according to the bible) god is the same, yesterday, today and forever… that means god regretted me, and you. There’s no love there. The flood story, is a story of hate. God, it says, is an “angry god” – that isn’t love.
Jesus, I admit, said the better things. The problem with the bible, is that a believer gets to pick and choose what they will accept. Sue, you seem like a nice person, so you have reflected the nice things from Jesus. Franklin Graham is motivated by politics, so he reflects verses that defend his political views. A racist will pick and chose and quote Ephesians 6:5.
This the danger. For you, only the message of love is true. But to arrive at that conclusion you have had to cherry pick your way through the bible (no offense). Just like someone else who cherry picks their way through to get a message of intolerance.
I would think that a person following the message of Jesus would
a) love others, even their enemies
b) wouldn’t get involved in politics
c) wouldn’t complain about money or taxes
d) would focus more on themselves than others
e) wouldn’t vote in a political answer
f) would be willing to let others take from them
g) would be without fear
h) not care about public prayer
i) not care about gay rights
j) not care about illegal immigration…
But this isn’t reality is it Sue? What Christian is like that? Franklin Graham certainly isn’t like that. scroll through his posts, you’ll find 2/3rd’s are politically motivated. Look at his angry commenters writing things like “we must kill muslims” on his anti-muslim posts.
Graham isn’t alone on this… Look at Trump. Look at Swaggart… look at Fallwell… It’s not a flaw of the individual, it’s a flaw of the bible – it’s so contradictory that each person picks and chooses whatever they will… you pick the best of it, someone else picks the harshness of it. who’s right?