Nothing else is as illogical as a christian conservative. They will use a verse one way, then when it returns hostile to them in the future, they flip it saying it’s not relevant. Like a psychotic they return to the verse again, to use it against others they disagree with, and once again flip it saying it’s not relevant when it’s against them. Case in point is the verses in Romans 13.
Romans 13 says the following:
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.Romans 13:1-2
Personally I find this verse to be part of Paul’s idiocy. It’s his pandering and bootlicking to the Roman government.
In America, this verse has been used to fight against illegal immigration, civil disobedience and the like. Case in point:
Jeff Sessions quoted it against civil disobedience:
Attorney General Jeff Sessions defended the Trump administration’s policy of separating immigrant children from their families at the border this week by citing a passage from the Apostle Paul’s epistle to the Romans:
‘I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order,’ Sessions said. ‘Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves and protect the weak and lawful.’https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/16/jeff-sessions-bible-romans-13-trump-immigration-policy/707749002/
Back to the issues today, Franklin Graham (lying hypocrite and right wing bootlicker) went out to defend a Christian church “proudly” disobeying local government.
Wait, isn’t that against Romans 13, that says to be in obedience to the governing authorities?
Of course it is. Graham himself has used it! Christian conservatives everywhere have used Romans 13, in order to cast a shadow on others to attempt to force them to comply. Yet, when they don’t wish to comply, such as with marriage equality or with church closures, then they claim they have a right to disobey.
Romans 13 doesn’t apply?
I and others raised this on Graham’s feed, which was met with some attrition. This woman “Rachel” responded to one such person, saying that romans 13 doesn’t apply because it was about Rome and not a democracy like the modern age.
Look at this nonsense. In fact it’s in the USA Today article I quoted. Some Christians believe that Romans 13 is not about obeying OUR government, because it’s not Rome.
You read that correctly. They feel that Rome was different because it was an Oligarchy, so one must obey, but America is a democracy so one doesn’t need to obey.
Flaw #1: Rachel and others are saying that since Rome had an Emperor that all need to obey. But since America is a Democracy, we need not obey.
Response: This is not true. Rachel has confused freedom of election by the people, to be “freedom to break laws.” From a secular standpoint there’s no logical basis to say, “i’m free to break the law since i’m in a democracy, but I wouldn’t be free to break the laws if I was under an Oligarchy.”
Also consider, that if one were to break the law it would have to be under a totalitarian oligarchy. Between the two governments, a Democracy can be changed by legal means, or by a cast of votes. That’s where the change is to occur. In an Emperor driven nation that leads with an iron fist, obeying the laws amounts to suicide. If Paul is instructing people to obey under the iron fist of Rome, how much more you should obey in a society where you have options (like voting or the court).
Flaw #2: Isn’t quite convenient to apply Romans 13 on others they disagree with, and omit it when it inconveniently applies to their own behavior?
Response: Christian conservatives, INCLUDING Franklin Graham, have used this verse to attack others. I quoted Jeff Sessions quoting it above! They have used it against civil disobedience, for example. When they start disobeying (like refusing to shut their churches during the COVID outbreak), they start scampering to say “well this doesn’t apply to us because we are not in a government like Rome.”
Flaw #3: “Our government isn’t described in the bible, so therefore it doesn’t apply to us.”
Response: Overly literal positions are incredibly brittle. What if I told Rachel, “well [modern age vice] was never discussed in the bible so, hey it must be ok”. The Christian knows that there is a “spirit of the word,” meaning an intent that goes beyond the literal wording. What’s the general meaning here? Answer: To obey government. Obviously that was taken loosely as the christian religion was illegal for quite some time, and yet Christians practiced (breaking the law). That doesn’t excuse the vese.
If you feel the verse doesn’t apply, I have a simple solution, RIP IT OUT OF YOUR FUCKING DOG SHIT BIBLE. Take that misogynistic vile and burn it. I did. It set me free to burn that shit.
The bible is silly putty that can be molded to suit any situation. Rapists quote the bible to defend their deviance. Murders and mass murderers quote it to defend their actions. Totalitarian governments have quoted it to force compliance. Slave owners quote it for their own avarice.
To other christians, they will say, “these are not ‘real christians.'” But what is a real christian? The answer is that every christian thinks they are the “real christian” – citing the verses they cherry pick or reinterpret.
Here the bible says to obey the governing authorities. It’s a stupid comment in the bible, but christian’s use it all the time to attempt to force compliance in others. Then when they decide it’s time to break the law, they don’t like having the verse quoted back at them, so they skirt it saying, “democracy isn’t being talked about here. that’s really about Roman Oligarchy.”
I don’t know why Rachel is a christian, after all the bible tells women to shut up and be silent (1 Timothy 2:9-15). If you’re only going to agree with 3% of the bible, maybe it’s time to reconsider what your beliefs.
Stupid people, playing stupid games.